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I think 011 is getting to the point at the moment

Speak to them, tell them about the world around you, tell them what you are doing, what you like, why, etc.

3:47 AM

...and yes, consistency of forcing is quite important.

I created a wonderland (a nice concrete bunker lol) and basically spent an hour teaching her how to properly shoot her handgun in my head...I don't know if that did much

3:48 AM

but during that I think she was acting mostly independently

you're over here training your tulpa to weild weapons?

Repetition helps the brain establish the new pattern.

3:48 AM

I see.

I mean....It's what I'm good at and I can easily spend a lot of time that way

Nothing at all wrong with that.

then after words I read a review on a couple of pistols to her

I know, I'm joking around, sorry

3:49 AM

I have a stupid running joke that tulpa are going to stage a revolution

3:49 AM

and you're over here giving them guns

"Viva la resistance", Reguile.

I probably spent 3 hours training her on double-taps and reading up on the HK USP and Mark 23

Sounds like a pretty awesome way to go about forcing to me

3:50 AM

and I would absolutely think you will get signs of sentience doing something like that early on, especially if you are very involved

It's unique, that's for sure blobthumbsup

during one of the wonderland excercises, I spawned a North Korean soldier who promtly spotted us and aimed at us, and while I was focused on shooting him myself, she alsoo fired some rounds and AFAIK I wasn't puppetting

3:50 AM

So I think she's at least getting there

3:51 AM

sort of

3:51 AM

because I was focusing on counting my shots and when I looked down there was more than twice the brass of what I fired

3:52 AM

anyway, I'm also into lucid dreaming (although I suck at it) but I can recall dreams really well, and my guess is constantly being involved in dream gunfights means that it's not hard for my subconscious to handle secondary shooters

3:52 AM

so maybe that's what's happening?

It does rather sound like an exercise in creativity overall.

3:53 AM

A bit of roleplay (with no negative connotation, mind - to any concerned).

Or it could have been her. Ask her about it once she starts talking

I will

3:54 AM

one of the things I designed into her original form is she carries a gun....(force of habit I guess)

3:55 AM

so naturally as I would do with any new carrier, the first thing I did in the dreamland after introducing myself was show her how to safely and effectively use the pistol

3:56 AM

but other than more shooting drills I don't know what to do in the dreamland

3:56 AM

she doesn't talk, which I guess is fine this early

3:56 AM

and I don't know what else to show her

more target practice, you can try to build some buildings or something.

3:58 AM

like with real people, often you just have to learn to sit and be quiet when there's nothing to say or do, "hang out" with your tulpa, watch a tv show, show them what some random food tastes like, and so on.

so literally just interact with her until she shows definite interest in something

there's underlying reasons to the method, I think. I call the "pillars of vocality" the expectation that your tulpa is going to say something, and the familiarity you have with them, their personality, what they're going to say.

so let me ask

4:00 AM

if I expect, ok, my tulpa is going to hate her pistol and want a different one....is that puppetting? (edited)

that's a really murky ground

expecting that isn't puppeting in itself, controlling her to make that be the case is

4:02 AM

although your expectations can have some effect early on

@Reguile so what do you mean by I call the "pillars of vocality" the expectation that your tulpa is going to say something

have you ever gone to take a step off a staircase and felt your stomach drop when the step was or wasn't there?

4:03 AM

a reaction so built into memory that it just "happens"?

4:04 AM

smells that show up when you get certain memories

oh, the pavlovian conditioning thing

I think a big part of the drivers behind a tulpa is that sort of expectation, applied in a more small and controlled way

Keep in mind that your tulpa should have the same procedural and semantic memory you do - they know how to physically do the same things you do. They know what multiplying is, and already can understand the techniques you use to solve problems. They know what a chair is, or an apple.

4:05 AM

What they don't have is the same perspective of your chronological memory - your experiences.

4:06 AM

...which is why they need experience, for context and understanding of the world through the frame of their own experience, just as you understand the world through the frame of your own experiences.

@SkyeNet so...since I can double tap a pistol, she can too

4:07 AM

so would I be better off simulating the kind of experiences I want her to have, within the dreamworld?

It may take a moment to be used to the actual feeling of it, but yes. She should be able to.

4:07 AM

That is one way to do it.

so let me ask something

4:08 AM

pretend for a second she's sentient and possessing me

4:09 AM

let's say I've never shown her how to fire a rifle, even tho I myself am an expert with it

4:09 AM

can she pick it up and do reasonably well with it?

She should be able to, yes.

she might be able to, she'll have access to your muscle memory after all

mmk that's good...so then what should I focus on when forcing, esp. in this early stage

one of my tulpas beat my record in getting over it with bennett foddy the first time he ever played it

There's nothing you need to focus on in particular

4:11 AM

You can do everything or nothing as long as you spend time with them

4:12 AM

That didn't come out right

4:12 AM

What I mean by everything or nothing is if you're thinking of working on personality, form, etc

Giving them experience is the most important thing.

4:14 AM

Everything else is symbolism or methods.

ok now this convo is blending to the exact same thing that @Blitzeen has w/ me in DMs

Mmm

So I'll say what I just said to her

4:15 AM

ok that's all well and good...I'm still not any closer to knowing what falls under the category of personallity
I mean, based on MY definition
if I want her to be brave for instance
would I go into  the dreamword and simulate a big tornado or bombing raid or something?
I mean certain traits like that are obvious
but like calm and cool headed but smug....how do I create that

You don't have to put your tulpa in an experience to "prove" their bravery

ok...so how do I create that then?

I think he's trying to build bravery, not prove it

Oh

I feel that I grew my bravery during a firefight where we were pinned and I had to get my ass 100 meters up a rock in butt-fuckistan...without that I'd still be the puny kid I was in highschool

4:17 AM

so I would think that a similar situation would instill the same thing in her

wonderland isn't real. It's not any more real to tulpas than it is to you, necessarily.

ok fair enough

Well the early tulpa process is really dependent on the thoughts you have of your tulpa

4:18 AM

I think if you just develop her believing she's brave, it'll happen naturally (edited)

...quite frankly, there isn't a specific way to make them have a certain personality.

So if I keep thinking in my head or directly at her....

Is calm, collected, smart and a realist, but also playful...Is calm, collected, smart and a realist, but also playful...etc

then it can happen?

Your desires can influence it, but they cannot determine it.

well then how do you ever determine personality?

You don't.

if she truly is an autonomous individual, she'll determine her own personality

A tulpa isn't a designer baby.

The best way (imo) is to introduce the traits you like and explain why you think they are good traits to have, and give examples. It's like teaching a child why it's good to be honest.

I mean like I said before, I do a lot of visualization for lucid dreaming, so I'm pretty good at it. I can create legit pain, pleasure, emotions, whatever, at least for mysef

4:20 AM

so my dreamworld is fairly realistic

4:20 AM

@Ivy that's brilliant

Nor are they a character that you create and simply "will" into sentence.

However they could still choose not to

Teaching and discussing is absolutely the best policy.

mmk but again....it's hard to discuss when all she does is nods, maybe says ok or mhmm

4:22 AM

which at least during our training session the other night, was all she did, and it might have been me puppeting, IDEK